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Jun 2, 2021Liked by Tony Karon

I'm loving how you're writing about this, Tony - it's all coming together, and makes so much sense. Those CST seminars were worth it!

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Thanks Thec!!! Funny you should mention it, but I recently came across an old folder in which I'd kept my standard CST presentation, complete with overhead-projector slide! And thanks for recommending Lindqvist all those months ago! But yes, I'm enjoying trying to unpack this all and think about the connections for struggle -- remembering how Raymond used to say in SA we're not a civil rights struggle, like the US, because we're not struggling for inclusion in an existing state but rather struggling for a new state. I think, though, that overlooked a lot about Black liberation politics in the US, and the critique of civil-rights thinking from Malcolm X, the Black Panther Party etc. There may have been more in common between the two contexts than was obvious to us in SA in the '80s...

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For sure. And what's so interesting for me, from a 'circular' POV (goes around, comes around), is that Roxanne, in her Sociology course, just wrote an essay on the relationship between modernity and violence, in which she wrote about colonialism and early modern states. Seeing the similarities and patterns is so helpful, in making sense of what's going on and in formulating a response - as you've articulated in your piece.

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You’re full of shit

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